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  1. Hi Thrillseekers, I wonder if anyone, those new to Hangzhou, and those who've been here for a while, would be interested in going on a short hike on Saturday morning? I'm thinking, first meet at the ZheDa YuQuan campus north gate (i.e. on XiXi road near the GuDang bus station) at 8.30am, then meet others (if more convenient for you) 10 or 15 minutes later at the big Mao ZeDong statue just up from the main/east gate, which is on YuGu Road at the end of ZheDa Road. After that go up the hill behind the library and walk up the staircase to the top of the hill/mountain (Yes, every good hill worth its salt in China has a staircase up to the top... ;) ) and then hike the ridge across a few other hills to the south and then come down through the Hangzhou Botanic Gardens. In the Gardens, which are quite pretty, if not particularly scientific..., we can have a look at the Plum Blossoms. We'll walk out the little east gate of the Botanic Gardens and down the QingZhi Wu lane on to YuGu Road then up past the main/east gate of ZheDa, where some people might leave us, but those who want to can join me for breakfast at either Ellen's Cafe on ZheDa Road, or, if it's still open, at Reggae Cafe for their 50rmb buffet brunch. From meeting time, back to the main/east gate should take 2.5 - 3 hours, depending on how easy the pace is. It's not a tough hike, so if, like me, you're just brushing the winter cobwebs off your exercise gear, don't worry... B) You can do it! Please send me a PM (personal message on this website) if you're interested and we can exchange contact details so no-one misses the starting point or gets lost. Ciao! LFA PS. The 10 day weather forecast does say that there's a 40% chance of rain starting on Saturday, but hopefully we'll beat it, but bring a little umbrella, just in case.
  2. I have some good news for board game fans at Vineyard. Wade has purchased quite a few games to keep on site, with more to come. Available now are: Monopoly (Famous places version) (2 - 4 players) Risk (New edition of this classic world conquest game - not too complicated) (3 - 5 players) Settlers of Catan (Easy to learn and fun strategy conquest game - different board set up every time) (3 - 6 players) Scrabble (2 - 4 players) Bananagrams (Great fun... think Scrabble without the board in a crossword making race against your opponents, or solitaire) (1 - 8 players) Chess Checkers / Draughts Backgammon Dominoes UNO Card game Jenga Tower Blocks game Also available are: Chinese Chess / Xiang Qi 5-in-row / Wu Zi Qi Go Bang (A more advanced game using the same board and black and white tiles as 5-in-row) I own a few other games I'm happy to keep at Vineyard as well, such as Talisman (a great fantasy adventure board game, not role playing and not too complex but needs 2 or 3 hours to play), etc.. One or two other people may leave some games there for us to use as well, please treat these well and don't lose any pieces if you decide to play them. Currently available are: Balderdash, Pictionary and (a quite Australia focused, but still playable by all, version of) Trivial Pursuit. If you plan to go to Vineyard Cafe to play some games, and don't mind others joining you, or if you want some partners, even at short notice, then please post a message on this thread. LFA PS. DISCLOSURE NOTE: I do get some free drinks for promoting gaming events at Vineyard.
  3. Hello Hangzhou Hash House Harriers and those that would like to be... Unfortunately, the glory days of the Hangzhou Hash House Harriers, aka HHHH, aka 4H, are 2 or 3 years behind us, and the group has been dormant for most of the time since then. However, I've heard that this weekend the Shanghai Taiping Hash House Harriers are doing a run in the hills west of Hangzhou. Myself and a few others plan to join them at 1pm on Saturday (17 Mar 2012, St. Paddy's Day) for a few On, ons! and Down, downs! The start point is at the carpark just 50-100m south of the LongWu Toll booth on the west (south bound) side of the Hangzhou By-pass Highway. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30 ... 4&t=h&z=18 I'm not exactly sure what you'd tell a taxi driver in Chinese. Maybe (if you're coming from the north, i.e. via LiuXia) "Hangzhou RaoCheng GaoSu, WangNanFangXiang - LongWu ChuKou" (杭州绕城高速, 往南方向 - 龙坞出口) i.e. Hangzhou By-pass Highway, heading south - Longwu exit I'll aim to get my group (currently 2 or 3 people, but 1 or 2 more may join) there at about 1pm. We'll (probably) be coming by local buses, first meeting at the ZheJiang Uni YuQuan Campus north gate on XiXi Road at about 11.30 - 11.45am. But, we might go a bit later by taxi if people can't make it that early. Not 100% sure yet. The start time is about 1pm, but the Shanghai group might arrive a bit later as they're obviously bussing over from Shanghai and their travel time is an estimate. The hares will set up 2 hash courses, a 10km and a 15km. Note: I think this area is quite hilly, so a fair bit of stamina will be required. There could be some creeks and some mud too... Bring your own water and some food, as I'm not sure what can be bought near the start point and along the courses. I'm not sure what the weather will be like, but a rain proof jacket and a rain cover for your small backpack would probably be a good idea. See their group website for the hash summary. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/ch ... essage/266 Although hash running is generally quite stop-start, with lots of mini regroup stops, these hash courses are, apparently, not suitable for hash walkers, so if your fitness is way down, then this is probably not for you. However, it's naturally not quite as serious a problem for we Hangzhou Ren to be left behind as it is for the Shanghai visitors!!! :( Let me know if you'd be interested in joining us. Send me a PM with your email address and phone number. Maybe this can be a spark to reignite the HHHH flame...? Cheers and On! On! On!, LFA
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    "It's time to start RUNNING!"

    As someone once told Arnold Schwarzenegger, "It's time to start RUNNING!". I see over on another thread that Ultimate Frisbee is getting going again starting tomorrow. Great! I hope that Volleyball can get a new start soon too. However, what I want to talk about here is running... The "regular, like clockwork" on Tuesday night at Maya Bar "Even when it rains" Running/Jogging/Walking/Drinking/Eating Club to be exact! http://www.morehangzhou.com/venue/lifes ... close.html I'm not sure who is updating the GOOGLE Group mentioned in the above link...? And..., just testing the link now, it seems that Google Groups may be blocked in China??? Or, it might just be a temporary glitch on my computer...? Anyhoo, I hurt my knee a bit playing tennis a few days ago, but if it's good enough to run on on Tuesday night I'll be leaving Maya Bar on the run to West Lake at 7.30pm(ish). I think it's warm enough that it will be pretty certain that others will be returning to running this week too, so even if I don't run, and I just hold up the bar at Maya while you're running, you should have someone to go around with... You can leave your heavy jackets and bags behind the bar while you run, as Maya Bar is also the finishing point. In past years Maya Bar has usually given each Tuesday night runner a free drink of water at the finish. It's up to you whether you stick around for a while after the run for a drink or a bite to eat, or not. The shortest (normal) run is just to, or around, GuShan Island, which is 5 - 6km. It's about 8km if you also run across the Bai Causeway over Broken Bridge and then back along BeiShan Road. It's about 11-12km if you cross the Bai Causeway then turn right and run around the lake and return via the Su Causeway. And, I think it's about 14km if you run all the way around and return via the Yang Gong Causeway. Those distances are my guesstimates... Someone else might be able to be more precise. If I can run..., I'll just be doing a short, slow run/job/walk around GuShan island and then back to Maya Bar for a bite to eat and a drink. If I can't run, I'll be at Maya Bar offering you moral support and sympathy before and after your run/jog/walk... See you on Tuesday night! LFA
  5. Hi there active people, I received an email via the HangZhou Hash House Harriers email list a couple of days ago about an Ultimate Frisbee training/playing group starting up. First session is tomorrow (Sunday, 7 Dec 09) at 1.30pm. Location is at a university on WenYi West Road. I've removed the contact phone numbers, so if you want to get in touch with the organisers, to register your interest, then PM me. But, it will have to be tonight, or by 8am tomorrow morning, or I probably won't get a chance to reply to you... LFA See the details below: ************************************************************************ Dear friends: In the coming Sunday noon,we will be glad to introduce a new sport event here in Hangzhou:the Ultimate Frisbee.Ultimate (also called Ultimate Frisbee) is a limited-contact team sport played with a 175 gram flying disc. The object of the game is to score points by passing the disc to a player in the opposing end zone, similar to an end zone in American football or rugby. Players may not run while holding the disc. For more info of the sports,you can find more by the Link. As this is the kick off event of the sport,we will focus on the basic skills and some kind of practicing of them this weekend.But we do welcome both the frequent players and flash men to join us and hope you guys will enjoy it. Venue:the playground of the Zhejiang University of Finance and Economics(Wenhua Campus),Which located in the 83rd west Wenyi Road.here is a
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    Mango Thai restaurant

    I know this has been open for a while now, but I went there for the first time tonight and was pleasantly surprised by the good tasting food, and the good value. I had thought that this was an expensive restaurant, but it turned out to be very reasonably priced. Actually, I think I had confused it with the Sawasdee restaurant... :oops: My friends and I ordered 1 entree (Fish cakes), 2 vege dishes (KongXin Cai - Water Spinach, Eggplant) and 2 main dishes (Phad Thai, Prawns and shredded potato) and the total cost was 230rmb including 3 soft drinks. Not the cheapest place in town, but far from breaking the bank. In fact, we had ordered another main dish (Chicken chunks + ??? + leek), but it seemed that it was forgotten. After we'd finished almost everything else, we eventually checked and found that it had been forgotten. The waiter asked if we still wanted the dish, or if we wanted to cancel. Since we were all full or close to it, we cancelled the dish without incident, which was good. I'll definitely go again. The location, on BaiShaQuan next door to Provence (French Restaurant), made it very convenient to have a predinner drink at Maya Bar. LFA PS. Just a note for foodies, I'm certainly not picky about the authenticity of Thai (or any other) food, as long as it tastes good to me.
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  8. What are you doing this weekend? For the uninitiated, wing suit flying is new addition to the family of adventure sports including sky-diving and base jumping. Some of you might have heard of the "Rocket Man", who wears solid wings... and some kind of jet pack to "fly". But, wing suit flying is unpowered, and is actually more like gliding. Think of how a glider squirrel/possum jumps and glides down from high up on one tree to a lower height on another tree. There are some great videos on YouTube and other websites. There is also a good presentation by one expert practioner on the TED.com website. The experts often skim 1 or 2 metres/yards away from cliff faces and steep mountain sides as they glide at up to 120mph/190kph in a forward direction (while simultaneously falling downwards, of course!). Anyway, one of the world's most reknowned wing suit flyers, American, Jeb Corliss, is about to do a pretty amazing wing suit flight in China as part of a promotion by the ZhangJiaJie Governement. ZhangJiaJie is a spectacular, World Heritage listed, karst style mountain park in HuNan Province. Here's Jeb after a successful demo wing suit flight, from a cable car, but not through the TianMen Hole, at the end of July: Jeb Corliss is going to "thread the needle". That is he is going to jump out of a (Chinese??? :shock:) helicopter, then fly through the TianMen Hole, a fairly narrow rock cave/arch, and over 200 - 300 metres of no safety parachute option ground at near full speed on a flight of about 2km total length. Here's the TianMen Hole: Here are some links to info about Jeb's stunt and some related events by other base jumpers, sky divers, and rock climbers. Video of Jeb Corliss talking about the TianMen Hole stunt on Conan O'Brien's Show. http://shlackbeep.com/blog/jeb-corliss- ... -the-needl The HuNan Government news site for the ZhangJiaJie adventure/extreme sports events and some of the main sub-links. http://enghunan.gov.cn/SP/FlyTMS/ http://enghunan.gov.cn/SP/FlyTMS/NewsRe ... 395195.htm http://enghunan.gov.cn/SP/FlyTMS/NewsRe ... 395196.htm http://enghunan.gov.cn/SP/FlyTMS/NewsRe ... 395197.htm http://www.enghunan.gov.cn/SP/FlyTMS/Re ... 395193.htm LFA
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    Raspberry Pi with Chips!

    Geek Alert!!! Ah, if only I was 13 again. I'd love to get one of these! Probably will as soon as I can anyway. It's made/assembled in China, so I wonder how soon it will be until we can buy copies here...? If anyone sees one, please let me know. I wonder if computer magazines will (re)start giving out BASIC programs for us to type in and run on it? BBC article (29 Feb 2012) --> The Raspberry Pi computer goes on general sale http://www.raspberrypi.org/ CNN article (29 Feb 2012) --> Tiny $35 Raspberry Pi computer causes big stir on launch day Ahhh, my good old Commodore 64 and Amiga500 and 1200. I do miss them so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi LFA
  10. It seems that Jack Ma has (beginning about 2 years ago, and finalised almost a year ago) ripped off a major (and fast developing) asset (Alipay) of the Alibaba Group. The Alibaba Group is 43% owned by Yahoo!. This article provides a great summary of the situation. Reuters article (13 May 2011) --> Yahoo battle with China's Alibaba intensifies This smacks of the major rip-off committed by the boss of Wahaha (incidentally another Hangzhou/ZheJiang company), Zong Qinghou, a few years ago. See the HZ Expat WaHaHa vs Danone thread or one of the many cautionary business articles written on the topic of the specific Danone vs Wahaha dispute (in which Zong illegally started running factories using the exclusive JV trademark, eventually producing and selling in China as much branded product as the JV itself) or on doing business as a JV in China. e.g. Financial Times article (30 September 2009) --> Danone to quit joint venture with Wahaha Both of these upstanding guys (incredibly, given the 100s millions of rmb in taxes apparently Zong 'forgot' to pay) are National People's Congress members too, I believe. In 2009, in the face of impending Chinese Government regulations regarding Chinese ownership of electronic payments, the board asked management to investigate and make proposals into how Alipay should be dealt with. Apparently the report of the investigation was never presented. Furthermore, without any board discussion nor financial remuneration, ownership of Alipay, a shared asset of the Alibaba Group, wholly changed to Jack Ma in August 2010!!! Yahoo and Softbank were apparently completely unaware of this until March 2011, and Yahoo only disclosed the matter to the public a few days ago. Forbes "The Tech Trade" Blogpost (11 May 2011) --> Yahoo Discloses Jack Ma Takes Control Of Alipay From Alibaba It seems that the Alibaba Group board has 4 executive members, Jack Ma another Chinese rep, plus Jerry Yang representing Yahoo, and a Japanese chap representing another major investor, Softbank. Apparently, the board as a whole never approved any of this. It seems some board members (Chinese) are more in the loop than others... There a good list of questions raised by this matter in another Forbes "The Tech Trade" Blogpost (11 May 2011) --> Yahoo: Time For Regime Change? (Updated) A Forbes article from 1 month ago discusses Jack Ma and his "surprise" that fake sellers were able to operate on the sites and Alibaba/TaoBao staff helped them to steal money from unsuspecting users of their services and his "determination" to clean up Alibaba/TaoBao after it was discovered. The article also gives Jack Ma's views on on-going disputes he was having with Yahoo. Forbes article (11 April 2011) --> Alibaba's Jack Ma Fights To Win Back Trust It looks like there'll be fallout within Yahoo over this matter, but Jack Ma won't get such a good reception in the USA anymore, I expect. But, do Chinese 'business people' even care anymore? They know the Chinese government will protect them no matter what crap they pull... On a related tack, how does China's government regulation relating to Chinese ownership of electronic payment services fit in with its WTO commitments? LFA
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    "Taco Soon"

    "Taco Soon" I haven't been there yet, but a friend has, and he says they're decent (for the price). It's apparently not a restuarant, it's just a hole in the wall, little booth type place. I'm not quite sure where it is, but have been told it's not far from WuLin Square. The address on the brochure I have been given says: #32 PingFeng Street (屏风街32号). Looking at Google Maps on my phone (which suddenly has all the buildings in a simple kind of dynamic 3D view!!!) I see that PingFeng Street runs east from ZhongShan North Road starting south of the North Ring Road (i.e. a bit south of the Hangzhou Swimming Centre). The brochure lists 7 kinds of "Taco" (Why does that make me think of Cheech Marin in "From Dusk Til Dawn"??? :sick: ) between 13 and 17rmb each. The picture on the front of the brochure shows both tacos and wraps... but, I'm not sure if both are offered. Vegetable salad taco 13 Turkey chicken taco 13 Chicken curry taco 15 New Orleans chicken taco 15 Mexican grill taco 15 Tuna salad taco 17 German bacon taco 17 They also offer "Irish potato" (which might be potato wedges???) for 7rmb and New Orleans chicken wing (singular, but that might just be Chinglish...?) for 7rmb too. They also offer milk shakes, juices, sundaes, soft drinks, American Coffee and teas. They offer "dilivery" (sic) for an extra 1rmb (per item??? or per order???). Phone: 136 0681 9693 Let me know if you try 'em. LFA
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    Ultimate Frisbee in Hangzhou for fun and exercise

    Hi Frisbee Funsters! We've had more good Ultimate practice and play since I was last online here. Wednesdays at ZheDa YuQuan have been pretty well attended, with between 8-12 people coming along for some mid-week Ultimate practice. Then, Sundays at ChenJingLun Sports School have been well attended with 12 - 20 people even on the days when there was a bit of rain around. There's a special Saturday practice session today from 2 - 5/6pm at the XiaSha campus of ZJ LiGong University (浙江理工大学). See details here: http://groupspaces.c...ate/item/299513 Should be perfect weather tomorrow (Sun, 27 May)!!! So, join us from 1-5/6pm @ChenJingLun Sports School. See our website for details: http://groupspaces.c...ate/item/299527 However, next week will be pretty wet, so all the rain wimps (you know who you are! <_<) had better get out there tomorrow (Sun, 27 May) to take advantage of the last sunshine for quite a while. Next week we'll have practice on Wednesday, 30 May (3-6pm) @ZheDa YuQuan. Next Sunday, 3 June (1-5/6pm) @ChenJingLun Sports School. Sunday afternoons are our main regular weekly practice and play sessions. Come and join the fun!!! The time may move later once the weather heats up. The following week we'll have practice on Wednesday, 6 June (2-6pm) @ZheDa YuQuan. After this, we might stop Wednesday practices during the university holidays. Stay tuned to our HUPA website for any updates. Then we have the big tournament in Shanghai from 9-10 June (Sat & Sun). So, there will (probably) not be a Sunday practice on that weekend. There should be a whole bunch of the best teams from China, and even Asia there, so it should be a great spectacle. If you want to join us, please get in touch quickly. We'll be hiring a private team bus and leaving at 7pm on Friday. We have a very strong Hangzhou A Team, with a real chance of advancing quite far. We're also still hopeful of sending a full Hangzhou B Team, but if we don't get the numbers in the next couple of days, then we'll aim to join with another club to make a composite team, rather than be the bench warmers of the A Team. ;) Disc in!!! LFA
  13. Greetings Appreciators of the Arts, This week on Wednesday evening (23 May) from 8.30pm, Shadrach Burton will be holding his first solo art show in almost 6 years. It is titled They are watching you!, and "it draws inspiration from the concept of the 'eyes everywhere' world which we live in today". Shadrach comes from the Carribean island of Dominica and has been living in Hnagzhou for a few years. See his website here: http://www.shadrachburton.com/my-portfolio/ Vineyard (173 YuGu Road) will be the host venue. It's on the ground floor of ZhongTian Tower just to the N-W of the Yellow Dragon Stadium. See you there! LFA
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    Boogie Boy China Tour (Special Guest N8N)

    Sounds like it will be a fun show! The price is pretty high, and 9 Club has expensive drinks, but I know some of the Hangzhou TED Talks discussion group are planning to go, and I'll probably join them. Is there a free, or discount drink, included with the ticket price? I know some past shows at 9 Club have at least offered that even with just a 50rmb ticket price. Boogie Woogie Oogie!!! LFA
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    Need some info about Poker Night at Vineyard

    A Google search of "hangzhou vineyard address" will do the trick, map and all!!! We had 9 along, plus a couple of re-buy-ins as well, including a couple of new faces, for a good game last night. See you there! LFA
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    Chicken Pie

    Good tip Spiderspider. I might give them a try. Are there other flavours? You might also like to try these "Chinese Pies" (RouJiaMo) which should be available from CenturyMart and Auchan, and probably other places too. http://www.hangzhoue...__1#entry140112 There are 6 - 8 flavours, and they cost about half of the ones you mentioned by weight. i.e. 840g for 25-32rmb (last time I checked a few months ago). I've seen the same type of thing made fresh in a small restaurant on ZheDa Road just 50m from the ZheDa YuQuan main gate. LFA PS. On the TaoBao page there's also a link to a "Poached Pear Pie". If they could do the meat pies in the same shape crust it would be even better!! Poached Pear Pie: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12484003141&
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    Champions League Final

    Hey Aled, Good to see you at Reggae Bar on Sunday AM for the final. Great result!!!! Way to go Chelsea!!! ;) Reggae was packed to the rafters with football fans making for a great atmosphere. Bayern Munich were pretty dominant for the majority of the game, but couldn't do enough to knock Chelsea out and then Chelsea got the equaliser in the dying minutes of regular time. Great night! Well done Reggae Bar!!! When's/'re the next big game/s? LFA
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    MLB..all summer long...............

    Hi Chrsffr, See my reply to your post on the other thread. Cheers, LFA
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    Baseball & Softball

    I enjoy playing baseball. It's not a big sport in Australia though. I played 2 seasons for a club in the Brisbane city league in the early 90s. As to watching it, if it fits in with their opening hours (10.30am to 12 or 1am), then I'm pretty sure that Vineyard could show MLB games, or possibly replays instead if that suited your viewing time better. In Hangzhou I understand that at least 1 university in Hangzhou, ZheJiang University, has a representative team... and you may be able to join their practice sessions...? Chinajunk may know more about that point. Search his past posts here on HZE... Another idea could be to switch to the venerable sport of cricket!!! Last summer/autumn I think a lot of the Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi engineers down in BinJiang got together for some cricket at the Hangzhou International School... but, I haven't heard anything about that for a while. 20/20, a new form of cricket, is virtually like baseball anyway... Good luck, LFA PS. I agree with Iggie. Hangzhou is relatively gifted when it comes to public parks, but still suffers from the general Chinese malaise of local/city governments not providing any real community play grounds or sports fields. Certainly not as we know them from back home.
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    Hi Jennifer, Are you going to be working in the east, west or central part of XiaoShan? It's a very wide area east to west. You're only moving once, I think you can handle the bags... Get some strong rope and tie a few of them together by the handles and put the rope over your shoulder so your hands don't get tired. Do your move at a time when the subways and trains will be less crowded. Re: Hangzhou location. I love living near to the Yellow Dragon Stadium (west or S-W of it, near ZheDa YuQuan campus), lots of bars, and quite a few restaurants are nearby, plus good bus routes, and it's a short walk or cycle into Hangzhou's green western hills, but I can't see it being a suitable area for you. I'm sharing a 3 bdrm place with 1 other person for less than 3K rmb/mth and have rented 2 bdrm places in the area for 4K rmb/mth or less in past years on 12 mth rental contracts. Depending on which part of XiaoShan you're working in, and your transport budget and schedule (remember it's murder getting a taxi in Hangzhou between 4 and 5pm... when the drivers change shift), the southern side of West Lake (north of the river) may be feasible. i.e. near WuShan Square, or over near the eastern bridges across the river. However, BinJiang, in or near Rainbow City (彩虹成 CaiHong Cheng), still seems your best bet. South of the river, rents are usually 1/3 to 1/2 lower than central Hangzhou for comparable apartments, but some estates are priced higher down there too. Good luck, LFA
  21. The problem is that in China they actually search through your stuff quite carefully before letting you seal the box or bag... They don't like letters being sent within other letter or parcels. i.e. you have to buy more stamps and send them separately, even if they're going to the same location... Insane! Of course it's easy to hide a page or two within other things, but if you have it in an envelope it's harder to get away with. LFA
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    paint shop

    Hi San, The one I remember exactly was in BinJiang around the corner towards the river from Rainbow City Apartments. I don't know if they "have skills" though... LFA
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    Great. See you there then! LFA
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    Hi Justxia. How would tomorrow (Tuesday, 22 May) after lunch, perhaps from from 2 -3pm or 3 -4pm, work for you? My sprained ankle is almost back to normal. Cheers, LFA
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    Who's up for some drinks tonight?

    Good to hear guys! For me the night will end up at Reggae Bar by about midnight to see the band, play some pool, and then watch Chelsea kick Bayern Munich's butt in the EUFA Champion's League final 1st leg!!! See the Sports Talk Forum UEFA Final thread for details... See you guys at Maya Bar tomorrow night for drinks! LFA